Large vassals can take thousands of diplomatic power and decades to annex, even with discounts from Influence ideas and Administrative efficiency. The best way to feed a vassal is to annex territory directly and grant the provinces to the vassal through the subject interaction menu requires Common Sense.
The advantages of vassal feeding are primarily in not having to deal with rebels as much as the AI will often use its military power for Harsh Treatment, saving you the expense and saving Administrative Power in favour of expending Diplomatic Power; Administrative Technology is almost always more important than Diplomatic Technology as it allows you to unlock new idea groups. From patch 1. The suzerain can give provinces to a vassal by forcing a defeated country to return the vassal's cores in a peace deal.
This is less expensive in terms of Aggressive Expansion than taking provinces directly, but still costs the same diplomatic monarch points. Since these provinces are the vassal's cores, they will not overextend the vassal.
Alternatively, a vassal may independently occupy an enemy province where it has a core. A province sieged by a vassal will be occupied by their suzerain, but an exception is when the vassal has a core in the province and is the siege leader. The suzerain can also transfer occupation to their vassal whenever needed.
Once a province is occupied by the vassal, the suzerain war leader can demand the enemy to directly cede the province to the vassal. If this happens, the vassal will use their own diplomatic monarch points though their overlord will still take the Aggressive Expansion for the province.
This also gives an opinion boost, but less than returning a core with the suzerain's diplomatic monarch points. Beware that the Administrative Efficiency used to compute the province war score cost is the one of the country who receives it.
If you have a better Administrative Efficiency than your vassal, you will have to pay more war score cost to give him directly those provinces via "Cede province" or "Return core" than taking them for you directly and ceding them to the vassal in peacetime via the option in the Subject Interaction menu available with the Common Sense DLC.
But as previously mentioned, the first option will give less Aggressive Expansion, and give an opinion bonus, whereas the second one will give more AE and also a reduction in Liberty Desire for the concerned subject more than you get from the opinion boost in the first option , which stacks contrary to opinion, capped at Selling provinces will not work if the annexation process has been started.
Countries who are already vassals will only buy provinces that are either cores, claims, an accepted culture or formerly owned territory of the vassal. Also the province to be sold needs to be within coring range. It is much easier to sell provinces to countries that aren't yet vassalised, however care must be taken to make sure that after selling the province the country doesn't become ineligible to become a vassal either diplomatically or militarily due to tax base.
Forum list Trending Latest New posts. Paradox Wikis. Europa Universalis 4 Wiki. Active Wikis. Personal tools Log in Personal tools English Log in. From Europa Universalis 4 Wiki. Please help with verifying or updating this section. It was last verified for version 1. Only vassals and daimyos matter for the formula. The development of marches, junior partners, colonial nations and tributaries is not taken into account. The autonomy modified development of the players country is displayed in the tooltip of the presence bar of an institution in the technology tab.
Please help with verifying or updating this table. The below is one of many player suggested strategies for Vassal. User Info: oldmanpoo I believe you have to reduce them to one territory after crushing their military strength.
After they become your vassal, I believe they can expand again. Of course, I had to dump my vassal because every ally I had kept declaring war on him. I stuck with them Takaoka for three wars before I had had enough. It was wreaking havoc on my diplomacy and trade. As for making the Shogunate your vassal, I payed them a huge sum of money and they gladly became my vassal So yes, it's possible. But you're going to have to deal with Realm Divide anyway. User Info: Koganesaga.
To clarify, yes you have to reduce them to one territory but in order to force them to be your vassal, the last territory you crush has to be their capital. For example, if you wanted to make the Takeda your vassal by military force, the last settlement you take would have to be Kai. If they have any other settlements and you take Kai, you won't be able to make them a vassal until you wipe out the Takeda and an enemy takes Kai from you and you take it back.
You also wanted to know about diplomatically making vassals. Allies aren't likely to ever become your vassals as their your allies, at least they won't without a gross amount of money offered. This is because of the nature in which a vassal is created. A vassal is created by being utterly superior to your opponent, and they're aware it is either vassal-ship or death. NinjXPk Ashigaru. Hussarknight Seraph Emeritus. Scipii TWH Seraph.
However, considering events like Realm Divide can make some vassals turn against you I'd advise conquering much of what you need. In Empire: Total War , a similar system to vassalage exists in the form of the Protectorate system.
In Napoleon: Total War , the protectorate system functions similarly to its Empire: Total War incarnation, with a few minor differences.
In Total War: Shogun 2 , vassals make their formal debut. Factions may offer other factions to become their vassal. This can either be done as part of a regular agreement, or chosen by a weakened faction that would submit rather than face destruction. Making vassals can be a useful endeavor: the player gains a new unit or two usually yari ashigaru , vassals are guaranteed trade partners unless a trade route cannot be established in the first place, and vassals give a portion of their income to their patron clan.
Acquiring vassals is one of the fastest and easiest ways to gain honor, and the honor bonus is retained even if the vassal is destroyed.
A few factions start the campaign with a vassal.
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